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		<title>by: duncanriley.com &#187; So long Yaro Starak, and thanks for all the spam!</title>
		<link>http://spamhuntress.com/2005/10/23/googles-dirty-little-secret/#comment-20756</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jun 2006 03:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] But is Rick Butts a bad guy? Read this, or this, or this, or this, or how bout the Wall Street Journal  Yaro?, and I quote: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] But is Rick Butts a bad guy? Read this, or this, or this, or this, or how bout the Wall Street Journal  Yaro?, and I quote: [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Andrew Goodman</title>
		<link>http://spamhuntress.com/2005/10/23/googles-dirty-little-secret/#comment-1699</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2005 23:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spamhuntress.com/2005/10/23/googles-dirty-little-secret/#comment-1699</guid>
					<description>This comes back to the broader issue of how editorial policies are implemented and enforced across the whole advertiser community. This isn't an unusual situation or a scandal; rather, simply one person's view of the appropriateness of the ads, and of the "seriousness" of "bad" ads slipping through.

This debate takes place in every vertical, because there are potentially misleading or "bad" ads in every vertical.

There will never be 100% rejection of all "bad" ads. First, because the definition of a bad ad is subjective; second, because enforcement of policies always relies on the use of policy instruments with varying degrees of effectiveness in achieving policy outcomes.

If cost of enforcement were not a factor and if a single person's view of what the policies themselves should be were used as the sole guideline, you might get to 99.9% or so effectiveness in keeping the baddies out.

Google relies on a combination of policy development, policy reviews, policy enforcement by people, algorithmic/automated checks, quality scores, and so on. Any such system is fallible.

Policy-making is also not an exact science.

On this specific issue (types of spammers advertising), in fact, Google has placed accounts on hold completely while they review a whole category. Presumably that's while they develop practical guidelines for the category.

This isolated case is just part of the overall scenario which is basically that you can only coherently reject/ban advertisers if you do it based on a consistent policy. Because such policies risk raising the ire of legit advertisers, those policies are calibrated rather loosely in most industries. You can't go around declining ads in certain product categories just because they "seem unsavory".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This comes back to the broader issue of how editorial policies are implemented and enforced across the whole advertiser community. This isn&#8217;t an unusual situation or a scandal; rather, simply one person&#8217;s view of the appropriateness of the ads, and of the &#8220;seriousness&#8221; of &#8220;bad&#8221; ads slipping through.</p>
<p>This debate takes place in every vertical, because there are potentially misleading or &#8220;bad&#8221; ads in every vertical.</p>
<p>There will never be 100% rejection of all &#8220;bad&#8221; ads. First, because the definition of a bad ad is subjective; second, because enforcement of policies always relies on the use of policy instruments with varying degrees of effectiveness in achieving policy outcomes.</p>
<p>If cost of enforcement were not a factor and if a single person&#8217;s view of what the policies themselves should be were used as the sole guideline, you might get to 99.9% or so effectiveness in keeping the baddies out.</p>
<p>Google relies on a combination of policy development, policy reviews, policy enforcement by people, algorithmic/automated checks, quality scores, and so on. Any such system is fallible.</p>
<p>Policy-making is also not an exact science.</p>
<p>On this specific issue (types of spammers advertising), in fact, Google has placed accounts on hold completely while they review a whole category. Presumably that&#8217;s while they develop practical guidelines for the category.</p>
<p>This isolated case is just part of the overall scenario which is basically that you can only coherently reject/ban advertisers if you do it based on a consistent policy. Because such policies risk raising the ire of legit advertisers, those policies are calibrated rather loosely in most industries. You can&#8217;t go around declining ads in certain product categories just because they &#8220;seem unsavory&#8221;.
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		<title>by: Search Engines Web  :?</title>
		<link>http://spamhuntress.com/2005/10/23/googles-dirty-little-secret/#comment-1665</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 19:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spamhuntress.com/2005/10/23/googles-dirty-little-secret/#comment-1665</guid>
					<description>&lt;b&gt;THOUGHT YOU MIGHT BE INTERESTED - JUST GOT THIS EMAIL ...

BTW: &lt;/b&gt;

It is not completely surprising how some NEWer website owners might be swayed by these emails - they are falling for Tried &#38; True  &#38; Pre-tested persuasion strategies .

Imagine not having the sophistication of the readers of this forum - and being naively frustrated about  :-(

"Why is'nt my site getting any traffic - I paid $$$ to have it designed - eveybody says it is nice!"



________________________________________________
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We just discovered something new and were so excited 
that we just had to let you know about it!
 
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fact, you can have thousands of visitors flooding your 
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Are you a skeptic? Thats okay! The Auto Hits Machine is G'UARANTEED 
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excuse for missing out on this incredible 
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Regards,
 
- Alex
 

P.S. O'rder now and r'eceive over $400 in a'mazing bonuses!
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Moderator: I edited out the active links.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>THOUGHT YOU MIGHT BE INTERESTED - JUST GOT THIS EMAIL &#8230;</p>
<p>BTW: </b></p>
<p>It is not completely surprising how some NEWer website owners might be swayed by these emails - they are falling for Tried &amp; True  &amp; Pre-tested persuasion strategies .</p>
<p>Imagine not having the sophistication of the readers of this forum - and being naively frustrated about  <img src='http://spamhuntress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&#8220;Why is&#8217;nt my site getting any traffic - I paid $$$ to have it designed - eveybody says it is nice!&#8221;</p>
<p>________________________________________________<br />
Greetings,</p>
<p>We just discovered something new and were so excited<br />
that we just had to let you know about it!</p>
<p>     h*tp://www.marketingefectivo.com</p>
<p>How would you like to have all the traffic you want<br />
delivered to your website at the push of a button?! In<br />
fact, you can have thousands of visitors flooding your<br />
website TODAY! How is this possible? Its all thanks to a<br />
remarkable b&#8217;reakthrough in traffic technology called the<br />
Auto Hits Machine at h*tp://www.marketingefectivo.com</p>
<p>The Auto Hits Machine is more powerful than any other traffic<br />
tool you will find on the web and can transform ANY website<br />
into an instant success! You will not have to wait for<br />
downlines to grow or sit at your computer clicking for hours.<br />
Just push one button and watch your hit counter soar!</p>
<p>Are you a skeptic? Thats okay! The Auto Hits Machine is G&#8217;UARANTEED<br />
to work or you get every penny of your m&#8217;oney back! Theres no<br />
excuse for missing out on this incredible<br />
o&#8217;pportunity, so hurry and get your o&#8217;wn Auto Hits Machine today!</p>
<p>To learn more, go to: h*tp://www.marketingefectivo.com</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>- Alex</p>
<p>P.S. O&#8217;rder now and r&#8217;eceive over $400 in a&#8217;mazing bonuses!<br />
h*tp://www.marketingefectivo.com</p>
<p>Moderator: I edited out the active links.
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		<title>by: Joe</title>
		<link>http://spamhuntress.com/2005/10/23/googles-dirty-little-secret/#comment-1656</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;a href="http://chongq.blogspot.com/2005/10/how-not-to-fix-blogspot-issue.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;My post&lt;/a&gt; on the Ratcliffe idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://chongq.blogspot.com/2005/10/how-not-to-fix-blogspot-issue.html" rel="nofollow">My post</a> on the Ratcliffe idea.
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		<title>by: Joe</title>
		<link>http://spamhuntress.com/2005/10/23/googles-dirty-little-secret/#comment-1653</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2005 19:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spamhuntress.com/2005/10/23/googles-dirty-little-secret/#comment-1653</guid>
					<description>FightSplog has a &lt;a href="http://www.fightsplog.com/news/index.php/2005/10/terrible-idea-for-fighting-splog/" rel="nofollow"&gt;post related to this&lt;/a&gt; you need to read (especially Matt).  &lt;a href="http://www.ratcliffeblog.com/archives/2005/10/how_to_get_goog.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Ratcliffe&lt;/a&gt; is promoting solving the splog problem by doing enough AdSense click fraud on blogspot splogs that Goolge takes some action or advertisers stop allowing their ads on blogspot sites or just quit AdSense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FightSplog has a <a href="http://www.fightsplog.com/news/index.php/2005/10/terrible-idea-for-fighting-splog/" rel="nofollow">post related to this</a> you need to read (especially Matt).  <a href="http://www.ratcliffeblog.com/archives/2005/10/how_to_get_goog.html" rel="nofollow">Ratcliffe</a> is promoting solving the splog problem by doing enough AdSense click fraud on blogspot splogs that Goolge takes some action or advertisers stop allowing their ads on blogspot sites or just quit AdSense.
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		<title>by: Joe</title>
		<link>http://spamhuntress.com/2005/10/23/googles-dirty-little-secret/#comment-1651</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spamhuntress.com/2005/10/23/googles-dirty-little-secret/#comment-1651</guid>
					<description>Recently Mozillazine added AdSense ads when you click on posts on their front page.  One of the first I saw was for downloading Mozilla.  It looked like it was a free download, but I think you had to give them your email address.

The problem is, as long as they aren't charging for the download it probably isn't against the licences Mozilla is under.  I am not sure what Google can do in that case.  It is certainly really slimy, maybe that is enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recently Mozillazine added AdSense ads when you click on posts on their front page.  One of the first I saw was for downloading Mozilla.  It looked like it was a free download, but I think you had to give them your email address.</p>
<p>The problem is, as long as they aren&#8217;t charging for the download it probably isn&#8217;t against the licences Mozilla is under.  I am not sure what Google can do in that case.  It is certainly really slimy, maybe that is enough.
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		<title>by: Ben Edelman</title>
		<link>http://spamhuntress.com/2005/10/23/googles-dirty-little-secret/#comment-1647</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spamhuntress.com/2005/10/23/googles-dirty-little-secret/#comment-1647</guid>
					<description>I often find myself looking back at Google's AdWords Content Policy, https://adwords.google.com/select/contentpolicy.html .  Though it's interesting what the page doesn't cover.  For example, try a Google search for [firefox].  The first (only) ad promotes a site that tries to sell a Firefox download -- even though Firefox is (of course, we all know, but others don't) free.  This doesn't quite fit any of Google's stated Content Policy prohibitions.  But it's awfully sleazy.  

If I were in charge, I'd probably ban these outright rip-offs that merely prey on user confusion and naivete, without adding any bona fide value.  Might be a bit tricky to draft the rule rigorously, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't try.  (And the "miracle cures" and similar entries, already on the list, show Google's willingness to add similar know-it-when-we-see-it restrictions.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I often find myself looking back at Google&#8217;s AdWords Content Policy, <a href="https://adwords.google.com/select/contentpolicy.html" rel="nofollow">https://adwords.google.com/select/contentpolicy.html</a> .  Though it&#8217;s interesting what the page doesn&#8217;t cover.  For example, try a Google search for [firefox].  The first (only) ad promotes a site that tries to sell a Firefox download &#8212; even though Firefox is (of course, we all know, but others don&#8217;t) free.  This doesn&#8217;t quite fit any of Google&#8217;s stated Content Policy prohibitions.  But it&#8217;s awfully sleazy.  </p>
<p>If I were in charge, I&#8217;d probably ban these outright rip-offs that merely prey on user confusion and naivete, without adding any bona fide value.  Might be a bit tricky to draft the rule rigorously, but that doesn&#8217;t mean I wouldn&#8217;t try.  (And the &#8220;miracle cures&#8221; and similar entries, already on the list, show Google&#8217;s willingness to add similar know-it-when-we-see-it restrictions.)
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		<title>by: Administrator</title>
		<link>http://spamhuntress.com/2005/10/23/googles-dirty-little-secret/#comment-1643</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2005 08:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spamhuntress.com/2005/10/23/googles-dirty-little-secret/#comment-1643</guid>
					<description>Hi Matt, good to see you're still reading.

I guess that's what AdWords managers need to do - look at the site as well as the ad. If they don't at least glance at the site the ad is for, then you could sneak ANYTHING past them! I mean, kiddie porn? No problem, just use an ad with unrelated but interesting search words. You see what I mean?

You know what to look at our, I think you need to sit them down and teach them what not to allow. That would save you some embarassment later on. I mean, do no evil? Come on, the AdWords managers haven't been taught properly!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Matt, good to see you&#8217;re still reading.</p>
<p>I guess that&#8217;s what AdWords managers need to do - look at the site as well as the ad. If they don&#8217;t at least glance at the site the ad is for, then you could sneak ANYTHING past them! I mean, kiddie porn? No problem, just use an ad with unrelated but interesting search words. You see what I mean?</p>
<p>You know what to look at our, I think you need to sit them down and teach them what not to allow. That would save you some embarassment later on. I mean, do no evil? Come on, the AdWords managers haven&#8217;t been taught properly!
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		<title>by: Joe</title>
		<link>http://spamhuntress.com/2005/10/23/googles-dirty-little-secret/#comment-1640</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Oct 2005 23:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I don't see AdSense for Domains as anything but spamdexing anyway.  I don't care if the domain owners aren't link spamming, the whole system is filling up search engines with garbage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see AdSense for Domains as anything but spamdexing anyway.  I don&#8217;t care if the domain owners aren&#8217;t link spamming, the whole system is filling up search engines with garbage.
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		<title>by: Matt Cutts</title>
		<link>http://spamhuntress.com/2005/10/23/googles-dirty-little-secret/#comment-1639</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Oct 2005 23:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spamhuntress.com/2005/10/23/googles-dirty-little-secret/#comment-1639</guid>
					<description>This is tough, because an AdWords person looking just at the ad would think that this sounds valid--the ad doesn't talk about what the site does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is tough, because an AdWords person looking just at the ad would think that this sounds valid&#8211;the ad doesn&#8217;t talk about what the site does.
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