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		<title>by: Administrator</title>
		<link>http://spamhuntress.com/2006/01/04/responsible-use-of-disposable-addresses/#comment-2448</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Yeah, you just made my day! I love compliments about my looks, but name calling from spammers? Just tells me I'm on to something.

Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, you just made my day! I love compliments about my looks, but name calling from spammers? Just tells me I&#8217;m on to something.</p>
<p>Thank you!
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		<title>by: Nikson</title>
		<link>http://spamhuntress.com/2006/01/04/responsible-use-of-disposable-addresses/#comment-2445</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spamhuntress.com/2006/01/04/responsible-use-of-disposable-addresses/#comment-2445</guid>
					<description>FUCK YOU BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FUCK YOU BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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		<title>by: Olliver</title>
		<link>http://spamhuntress.com/2006/01/04/responsible-use-of-disposable-addresses/#comment-2288</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2006 23:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spamhuntress.com/2006/01/04/responsible-use-of-disposable-addresses/#comment-2288</guid>
					<description>Ah, the famous Mister Hutchinson once more...

I think it's about time to agree upon which role to play, Keven:
Either the anonymous propaganda poster who happened to stumble upon some interesting links or the creator of a service now looking for new customers. But you can't have it both ways unless you're a multiple personality or in fact a badly programmed spam bot :-)

Olliver</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, the famous Mister Hutchinson once more&#8230;</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s about time to agree upon which role to play, Keven:<br />
Either the anonymous propaganda poster who happened to stumble upon some interesting links or the creator of a service now looking for new customers. But you can&#8217;t have it both ways unless you&#8217;re a multiple personality or in fact a badly programmed spam bot <img src='http://spamhuntress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Olliver
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		<title>by: JoeChongq</title>
		<link>http://spamhuntress.com/2006/01/04/responsible-use-of-disposable-addresses/#comment-2281</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2006 07:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spamhuntress.com/2006/01/04/responsible-use-of-disposable-addresses/#comment-2281</guid>
					<description>I wonder if anyone else would be interested to know Kevin has another carefully worded link comment over at &lt;a href="http://www.jgc.org/blog/2006/01/how-i-manage-email.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;jgc.org&lt;/a&gt; on a semi on-topic post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if anyone else would be interested to know Kevin has another carefully worded link comment over at <a href="http://www.jgc.org/blog/2006/01/how-i-manage-email.html" rel="nofollow">jgc.org</a> on a semi on-topic post.
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		<title>by: Administrator</title>
		<link>http://spamhuntress.com/2006/01/04/responsible-use-of-disposable-addresses/#comment-2273</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2006 19:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spamhuntress.com/2006/01/04/responsible-use-of-disposable-addresses/#comment-2273</guid>
					<description>Kevin:
I got an e-mail from someone else, who was setting up a site with advice on disposable e-mail addresses. This was someone who'd never run a mail server, and had no idea what his advice ACTUALLY did to mail servers. If his advice (at the time, he may have amended it by now) had been responsible, I wouldn't have gotten so ticked off.

But the thing about the spam never leaving the spamming server, has to do with an e-mail address that was once in use, but no longer is. If the receiving mail server is set up to REJECT mail, the sending server never gets to send it. The receiving server just won't accept it.

In regular mail servers, that triggers a bounce. Check the bounce messages you receive. If the bounce is sent by the server where your intended recipient once had an e-mail account, then that server does not reject mail. It receives mail (catch all), then either tries to send it to a mailbox internally, or sends it on to the mailbox server, which then sends a bounce to the sender.

If the bounce was sent by your SMTP server, then the receiving server was set up to reject mail to non-existing addresses.

There are actually all sorts of ways to do this. You can set up a list of addresses to receive for one domain, and reject everything else. You can have catch all domains, and you can have catch all, combined with some addresses that are rejected. All of that on the same server.

The load on the server will be significantly reduced, if you reject as much as possible that isn't addressed to a user.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin:<br />
I got an e-mail from someone else, who was setting up a site with advice on disposable e-mail addresses. This was someone who&#8217;d never run a mail server, and had no idea what his advice ACTUALLY did to mail servers. If his advice (at the time, he may have amended it by now) had been responsible, I wouldn&#8217;t have gotten so ticked off.</p>
<p>But the thing about the spam never leaving the spamming server, has to do with an e-mail address that was once in use, but no longer is. If the receiving mail server is set up to REJECT mail, the sending server never gets to send it. The receiving server just won&#8217;t accept it.</p>
<p>In regular mail servers, that triggers a bounce. Check the bounce messages you receive. If the bounce is sent by the server where your intended recipient once had an e-mail account, then that server does not reject mail. It receives mail (catch all), then either tries to send it to a mailbox internally, or sends it on to the mailbox server, which then sends a bounce to the sender.</p>
<p>If the bounce was sent by your SMTP server, then the receiving server was set up to reject mail to non-existing addresses.</p>
<p>There are actually all sorts of ways to do this. You can set up a list of addresses to receive for one domain, and reject everything else. You can have catch all domains, and you can have catch all, combined with some addresses that are rejected. All of that on the same server.</p>
<p>The load on the server will be significantly reduced, if you reject as much as possible that isn&#8217;t addressed to a user.
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		<title>by: Joe</title>
		<link>http://spamhuntress.com/2006/01/04/responsible-use-of-disposable-addresses/#comment-2266</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2006 18:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spamhuntress.com/2006/01/04/responsible-use-of-disposable-addresses/#comment-2266</guid>
					<description>The service I use is MailShell (with a legacy free account, they now concentrate on enterprise solutions).  I can pre-enable addresses or just allow whatever comes in.  Each address can be setup with several levels of spam filtering.  You can setup some pretty powerful user defined rules.  There is also blacklisting of senders and I think whitelisting.  It really saves me from a lot of spam because I use one of those addresses on Usenet and it just gets hammered.

I have to also point out that I don't have much faith in free spam filtering services anymore.  So many of them have come and gone.  I am very lucky Mailshell didn't kick me off or make me pay.

But I see that yours isn't a free only service.  That makes it seem more likely to stick around, but makes me a bit worried about the free part.  It is an interesting pricing structure you have and should allow many people to continue to use the free service, but as a user you have no control over how much mail you get in a month.

If I get a few huge attachments in one month that would push me into your professional services.  It is clear that is more strain on your servers, but I would hope you base the decision on more than one month's usage or the reason for the overage.  If it is mostly spam then clearly the user should be paying for its removal because that is a huge ammount.  But if it is just a couple legit messages and not every month I think the user shouldn't be forced to upgrade.

Is the service ad supported (in the UI or attached to emails) or totally relying on the professional services?

The reason your comment on the other post with a link to your site looks so bad is because it had nothing to do with the post you commented on.  That post was on a web spammer blacklist of antispam sites.  Email filtering is totally off topic and how you tried to make it fit made it seem like you didn't actually read the post, just like a spammer.  A meaningful comment only linking your name will still get you noticed.  An off topic comment will make you look like a spammer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The service I use is MailShell (with a legacy free account, they now concentrate on enterprise solutions).  I can pre-enable addresses or just allow whatever comes in.  Each address can be setup with several levels of spam filtering.  You can setup some pretty powerful user defined rules.  There is also blacklisting of senders and I think whitelisting.  It really saves me from a lot of spam because I use one of those addresses on Usenet and it just gets hammered.</p>
<p>I have to also point out that I don&#8217;t have much faith in free spam filtering services anymore.  So many of them have come and gone.  I am very lucky Mailshell didn&#8217;t kick me off or make me pay.</p>
<p>But I see that yours isn&#8217;t a free only service.  That makes it seem more likely to stick around, but makes me a bit worried about the free part.  It is an interesting pricing structure you have and should allow many people to continue to use the free service, but as a user you have no control over how much mail you get in a month.</p>
<p>If I get a few huge attachments in one month that would push me into your professional services.  It is clear that is more strain on your servers, but I would hope you base the decision on more than one month&#8217;s usage or the reason for the overage.  If it is mostly spam then clearly the user should be paying for its removal because that is a huge ammount.  But if it is just a couple legit messages and not every month I think the user shouldn&#8217;t be forced to upgrade.</p>
<p>Is the service ad supported (in the UI or attached to emails) or totally relying on the professional services?</p>
<p>The reason your comment on the other post with a link to your site looks so bad is because it had nothing to do with the post you commented on.  That post was on a web spammer blacklist of antispam sites.  Email filtering is totally off topic and how you tried to make it fit made it seem like you didn&#8217;t actually read the post, just like a spammer.  A meaningful comment only linking your name will still get you noticed.  An off topic comment will make you look like a spammer.
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		<title>by: Kevin Hutchinson</title>
		<link>http://spamhuntress.com/2006/01/04/responsible-use-of-disposable-addresses/#comment-2258</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2006 06:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spamhuntress.com/2006/01/04/responsible-use-of-disposable-addresses/#comment-2258</guid>
					<description>When you say "If you use e-mail addresses responsibly, the spam never leaves the spamming servers" what do you mean? I don't see how my mail server can work out it's spam and stop if before it's had a chance to read what's in the message?

I agree with you that disposable addresses are no panacea, but as Joe says in his comment, they can be used in combination with other techniques. There are 4 styles of disposable address services that I've found:
1) The www.zoemail.com style where you need to pre-enable them
2) The www.spamgourmet.com style where they expire after x messages
3) The www.mailinator.com style where they are simply all public
4) The www.mail-filter.com style where they are a combined with spam scoring

I guess different styles work for different people.

By the way, I wasn't fishing for a link to my site - I was just hoping you might take a look and give me some honest feedback...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you say &#8220;If you use e-mail addresses responsibly, the spam never leaves the spamming servers&#8221; what do you mean? I don&#8217;t see how my mail server can work out it&#8217;s spam and stop if before it&#8217;s had a chance to read what&#8217;s in the message?</p>
<p>I agree with you that disposable addresses are no panacea, but as Joe says in his comment, they can be used in combination with other techniques. There are 4 styles of disposable address services that I&#8217;ve found:<br />
1) The <a href="http://www.zoemail.com" rel="nofollow">www.zoemail.com</a> style where you need to pre-enable them<br />
2) The <a href="http://www.spamgourmet.com" rel="nofollow">www.spamgourmet.com</a> style where they expire after x messages<br />
3) The <a href="http://www.mailinator.com" rel="nofollow">www.mailinator.com</a> style where they are simply all public<br />
4) The <a href="http://www.mail-filter.com" rel="nofollow">www.mail-filter.com</a> style where they are a combined with spam scoring</p>
<p>I guess different styles work for different people.</p>
<p>By the way, I wasn&#8217;t fishing for a link to my site - I was just hoping you might take a look and give me some honest feedback&#8230;
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		<title>by: Joe</title>
		<link>http://spamhuntress.com/2006/01/04/responsible-use-of-disposable-addresses/#comment-2251</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2006 18:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spamhuntress.com/2006/01/04/responsible-use-of-disposable-addresses/#comment-2251</guid>
					<description>I use a disposable address service and I did find how it handles disposed addresses annoying.  I know bouncing spam doesn't work since the recipient of the bounce likely had nothing to do with the message.  So I just don't dispose any of my addresses.  But they allow me to filter the mail easily.  And they allow me to see who has been letting my address slip to spammers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use a disposable address service and I did find how it handles disposed addresses annoying.  I know bouncing spam doesn&#8217;t work since the recipient of the bounce likely had nothing to do with the message.  So I just don&#8217;t dispose any of my addresses.  But they allow me to filter the mail easily.  And they allow me to see who has been letting my address slip to spammers.
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