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		<title>by: Markus</title>
		<link>http://spamhuntress.com/2006/02/09/the-ethical-spammer-has-something-to-tell-me/#comment-153411</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 01:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I cannot understand that issue of ethical and non ethical spammers.
I know a couple of people who had to take their guestbook down and had to remove their email adresses. They cannot receive any kind of feedback any more from visitors oft their site.
The are not webmasters, just regular people, skilled enough to use some WYSIWYG tool to create their own website, to stay in contact with friends, family or just to meet people with similar hobbies and ideas.

While professional sites and skilled users can take actions against spamming, those users are helpless against spammers.

So what if an "ethical spammer" decides that that website is not worth looking at and spams it? What gives you the right to place you spam, totally unrelated to the page? Do you want to tell me that you visit each page first, before you let your spambots do their work?

My experience is no, otherwise I have no explanation why people would try to post their spam unsuccessfully every day on my page ...

When I emigrated, I made a page for my family and friends in Germany. As soon as I got listed in Google, some people contacted us for advice and information. A good thing and one of the benefits of the web. But soon enough the spamming started. Fortunately I was able to build my own defences, but not everyone is able to do that.

I hope that google and co will some day punish the owners of those spam sites by unlisting them. Maybe that'll be a good way to get rid of those web parasites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cannot understand that issue of ethical and non ethical spammers.<br />
I know a couple of people who had to take their guestbook down and had to remove their email adresses. They cannot receive any kind of feedback any more from visitors oft their site.<br />
The are not webmasters, just regular people, skilled enough to use some WYSIWYG tool to create their own website, to stay in contact with friends, family or just to meet people with similar hobbies and ideas.</p>
<p>While professional sites and skilled users can take actions against spamming, those users are helpless against spammers.</p>
<p>So what if an &#8220;ethical spammer&#8221; decides that that website is not worth looking at and spams it? What gives you the right to place you spam, totally unrelated to the page? Do you want to tell me that you visit each page first, before you let your spambots do their work?</p>
<p>My experience is no, otherwise I have no explanation why people would try to post their spam unsuccessfully every day on my page &#8230;</p>
<p>When I emigrated, I made a page for my family and friends in Germany. As soon as I got listed in Google, some people contacted us for advice and information. A good thing and one of the benefits of the web. But soon enough the spamming started. Fortunately I was able to build my own defences, but not everyone is able to do that.</p>
<p>I hope that google and co will some day punish the owners of those spam sites by unlisting them. Maybe that&#8217;ll be a good way to get rid of those web parasites.
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		<title>by: Surly Robot &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Real and pretend women fighting spam</title>
		<link>http://spamhuntress.com/2006/02/09/the-ethical-spammer-has-something-to-tell-me/#comment-61815</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] Which raises the question: Who is this &#8220;Spamhuntress&#8220;? And can she really fold metal objects with the power of her sidekick? Turns out her Web site has lots of good resources regarding spam. And, through the power of her hunting skills, she outs spammers and engages others in rambling dialogs. Go Spamhuntress! [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Which raises the question: Who is this &#8220;Spamhuntress&#8220;? And can she really fold metal objects with the power of her sidekick? Turns out her Web site has lots of good resources regarding spam. And, through the power of her hunting skills, she outs spammers and engages others in rambling dialogs. Go Spamhuntress! [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Nigel Hill</title>
		<link>http://spamhuntress.com/2006/02/09/the-ethical-spammer-has-something-to-tell-me/#comment-8221</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 17:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spamhuntress.com/2006/02/09/the-ethical-spammer-has-something-to-tell-me/#comment-8221</guid>
					<description>This week a spammer, upset by BlueSecurity's fair approach to fighing spam, sent out several emails - the first (which came across as quite racist actually) was telling people that BlueSucrity itself was a dodgy spamming company. The second was a sob story tyring to get people to unsubscribe from using BlueFrog.

Since those emails I urge every single person who's not using BlueFrog to start using it. The spammer who sent the messages proved WITHOUT A DOUBT that BlueFrog really works.

The spammer's messages are posted here http://i-love-bluesecurity.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This week a spammer, upset by BlueSecurity&#8217;s fair approach to fighing spam, sent out several emails - the first (which came across as quite racist actually) was telling people that BlueSucrity itself was a dodgy spamming company. The second was a sob story tyring to get people to unsubscribe from using BlueFrog.</p>
<p>Since those emails I urge every single person who&#8217;s not using BlueFrog to start using it. The spammer who sent the messages proved WITHOUT A DOUBT that BlueFrog really works.</p>
<p>The spammer&#8217;s messages are posted here <a href="http://i-love-bluesecurity.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://i-love-bluesecurity.blogspot.com/</a>
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		<title>by: Zebra</title>
		<link>http://spamhuntress.com/2006/02/09/the-ethical-spammer-has-something-to-tell-me/#comment-7341</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2006 03:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Keep up the good fight Spam Huntress.  

Future generations will look back at parasitic turds like Ratty and insignificant blow hards like Oliver as being deficient in reasoning capacity.  Not even their fault really.  They just weren't born with sufficient hardware to come to rational conclusions about the things they observe in life.  I do believe that in several hundred years people like them won't have bred for lack of willing mates, and the world will gradually become a better place.

Meanwhile we're stuck with them until they grow old and die.

The fact that Ratty wants to defend the privacy of internet users in Russia is very funny - since it's the exact borderline criminal and amoral activity that he engages in which would drive the Russian government to interfere and impose the very restrictions he doesn't want to see.  He's a complete idiot. 

If everyone just played nicely on the web and ussed the old golden rule, then the governments of the world would have little to no interest in online events.  And indeed if there were some proportional cost basis for Spam, as there is with snail mail, then it would be a complete non-issue.

So I'm giving the Blue Frog a try.  It isn't hash-cash, but it's SOMETHING that imposes a processing price on the spammers for the deeds they do.  I've used them for only 2 weeks and my 250+ spams a day is starting to drop.  (Down to around 175 and falling)  I think Ratty's going to lose to the blue frog.  Blue Security seems to be on a righteous path.  I'd love to hear what Spam Huntress thinks about them.  Maybe Spam Huntress could get a job with them?  They're doing similar detective work on a daily basis to weed out the scum and place the inconvenience back into their court.

Warm regards,
Zebra</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep up the good fight Spam Huntress.  </p>
<p>Future generations will look back at parasitic turds like Ratty and insignificant blow hards like Oliver as being deficient in reasoning capacity.  Not even their fault really.  They just weren&#8217;t born with sufficient hardware to come to rational conclusions about the things they observe in life.  I do believe that in several hundred years people like them won&#8217;t have bred for lack of willing mates, and the world will gradually become a better place.</p>
<p>Meanwhile we&#8217;re stuck with them until they grow old and die.</p>
<p>The fact that Ratty wants to defend the privacy of internet users in Russia is very funny - since it&#8217;s the exact borderline criminal and amoral activity that he engages in which would drive the Russian government to interfere and impose the very restrictions he doesn&#8217;t want to see.  He&#8217;s a complete idiot. </p>
<p>If everyone just played nicely on the web and ussed the old golden rule, then the governments of the world would have little to no interest in online events.  And indeed if there were some proportional cost basis for Spam, as there is with snail mail, then it would be a complete non-issue.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;m giving the Blue Frog a try.  It isn&#8217;t hash-cash, but it&#8217;s SOMETHING that imposes a processing price on the spammers for the deeds they do.  I&#8217;ve used them for only 2 weeks and my 250+ spams a day is starting to drop.  (Down to around 175 and falling)  I think Ratty&#8217;s going to lose to the blue frog.  Blue Security seems to be on a righteous path.  I&#8217;d love to hear what Spam Huntress thinks about them.  Maybe Spam Huntress could get a job with them?  They&#8217;re doing similar detective work on a daily basis to weed out the scum and place the inconvenience back into their court.</p>
<p>Warm regards,<br />
Zebra
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		<title>by: Luke</title>
		<link>http://spamhuntress.com/2006/02/09/the-ethical-spammer-has-something-to-tell-me/#comment-6566</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Apr 2006 17:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Each day I get the most disgusting spam.  

If any of these spammers handed out such stuff in person to our children, they would likely get badly beaten or murdered by even the most tolerant people.

Spammers will never understand how much HATE against them there exists until they come face to face with their victims.

I do not condone violence but I would gladly enjoy watching a nakid spammer placed in a room full of angry parents armed with fly swatters :-) ...

- Luke</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Each day I get the most disgusting spam.  </p>
<p>If any of these spammers handed out such stuff in person to our children, they would likely get badly beaten or murdered by even the most tolerant people.</p>
<p>Spammers will never understand how much HATE against them there exists until they come face to face with their victims.</p>
<p>I do not condone violence but I would gladly enjoy watching a nakid spammer placed in a room full of angry parents armed with fly swatters <img src='http://spamhuntress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  &#8230;</p>
<p>- Luke
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		<title>by: Administrator</title>
		<link>http://spamhuntress.com/2006/02/09/the-ethical-spammer-has-something-to-tell-me/#comment-6336</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 21:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Criminalization is one way to combat spam, but removing all affiliate programs would seriously cut down on the spam. But remember that serious sites like Amazon also use affiliates. And the more money involved, the more lobbying, and the less likely we'll see affiliate programs outlawed.

It would be sooo sweet if affiliate programs were outlawed. Unfortunately, criminalization of comment spammers is more likely, and that in itself is way down the road.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Criminalization is one way to combat spam, but removing all affiliate programs would seriously cut down on the spam. But remember that serious sites like Amazon also use affiliates. And the more money involved, the more lobbying, and the less likely we&#8217;ll see affiliate programs outlawed.</p>
<p>It would be sooo sweet if affiliate programs were outlawed. Unfortunately, criminalization of comment spammers is more likely, and that in itself is way down the road.
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		<title>by: Scott</title>
		<link>http://spamhuntress.com/2006/02/09/the-ethical-spammer-has-something-to-tell-me/#comment-6325</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I don't believe criminalization will help.  I think their source of income needs cut.

Eliminate sites like topsearch10 and others like it that have "affiliate" programs driving (paying) people to do this spamming in the first place.  

Make it unprofitable, and it will fade away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t believe criminalization will help.  I think their source of income needs cut.</p>
<p>Eliminate sites like topsearch10 and others like it that have &#8220;affiliate&#8221; programs driving (paying) people to do this spamming in the first place.  </p>
<p>Make it unprofitable, and it will fade away.
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		<title>by: Ray</title>
		<link>http://spamhuntress.com/2006/02/09/the-ethical-spammer-has-something-to-tell-me/#comment-4013</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Mar 2006 17:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Quote: Spam — such a funny little word.

Spammers are the “fringe” of society. So, if we get rid of them all, then what?

Wouldn’t the new edges unravel a bit more, thereby creating a “new fringe”?

If history has shown us anything at all it is that if you continue to clip away at the rights of the “fringe community” and eventually destroy them, then a new fringe is created by default because now, those who were “inside” the fringe, have become the fringe since the old fringe has been cropped away.

So now we are left with a new fringe society to overcome. 

Because once enough layers of fringe are removed, then you will certainly find that your element, You yourself are now considered “the fringe element”.

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That is the most ridiculous rationalization I've ever heard.  Spam Gardener, you're full of shit.  If spammers are outlawed, we will have a nice, neat demarcation point between decent people and spammers.  Period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quote: Spam — such a funny little word.</p>
<p>Spammers are the “fringe” of society. So, if we get rid of them all, then what?</p>
<p>Wouldn’t the new edges unravel a bit more, thereby creating a “new fringe”?</p>
<p>If history has shown us anything at all it is that if you continue to clip away at the rights of the “fringe community” and eventually destroy them, then a new fringe is created by default because now, those who were “inside” the fringe, have become the fringe since the old fringe has been cropped away.</p>
<p>So now we are left with a new fringe society to overcome. </p>
<p>Because once enough layers of fringe are removed, then you will certainly find that your element, You yourself are now considered “the fringe element”.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
That is the most ridiculous rationalization I&#8217;ve ever heard.  Spam Gardener, you&#8217;re full of shit.  If spammers are outlawed, we will have a nice, neat demarcation point between decent people and spammers.  Period.
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		<title>by: Ray</title>
		<link>http://spamhuntress.com/2006/02/09/the-ethical-spammer-has-something-to-tell-me/#comment-4012</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Mar 2006 17:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Great site!  Very informative --oh, sorry, didn't mean to sound like a ^%$#@! spammer --because I HATE THEM!  I have a guestbook and I am SICK of having to delete entries continuously, every day!  I hate spammers and if I ever meet one, he's got a punch in the nose coming!  You sound very smart on this topic.  Can you recommend any references for a not-too-bright web master to use in protecting my web site?
Thanks very much,
Ray

P.S.  There are no ethical spammers.  They all SUCK!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great site!  Very informative &#8211;oh, sorry, didn&#8217;t mean to sound like a ^%$#@! spammer &#8211;because I HATE THEM!  I have a guestbook and I am SICK of having to delete entries continuously, every day!  I hate spammers and if I ever meet one, he&#8217;s got a punch in the nose coming!  You sound very smart on this topic.  Can you recommend any references for a not-too-bright web master to use in protecting my web site?<br />
Thanks very much,<br />
Ray</p>
<p>P.S.  There are no ethical spammers.  They all SUCK!
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		<title>by: TK</title>
		<link>http://spamhuntress.com/2006/02/09/the-ethical-spammer-has-something-to-tell-me/#comment-3873</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I was really surpised that I managed to write a small piece of software and a gr8 disclaimer that managed to make such a big fuss . I see forums and threads about the ethical spammers . Wikis were great before the nofollow (when we vanished) and yybbs-es are still great .
We tried to keep the original content , did not alter it and we hid our comments . This was a sign of respect for your websites and wikis . Many just wiped their text . We were somehow ethical but , you are right , spam ain't nice but effective !

Cheers ,
The ethical spammer .

PS: You got the wrong spammer :) Who's crazy enough to show a real name .

And dear SpamHuntress ... get a life . I seriously doubt you have one . That's just my subjective opinion ;) based on your looks . (Yes , ... I'm shallow / superficial too !)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was really surpised that I managed to write a small piece of software and a gr8 disclaimer that managed to make such a big fuss . I see forums and threads about the ethical spammers . Wikis were great before the nofollow (when we vanished) and yybbs-es are still great .<br />
We tried to keep the original content , did not alter it and we hid our comments . This was a sign of respect for your websites and wikis . Many just wiped their text . We were somehow ethical but , you are right , spam ain&#8217;t nice but effective !</p>
<p>Cheers ,<br />
The ethical spammer .</p>
<p>PS: You got the wrong spammer <img src='http://spamhuntress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Who&#8217;s crazy enough to show a real name .</p>
<p>And dear SpamHuntress &#8230; get a life . I seriously doubt you have one . That&#8217;s just my subjective opinion <img src='http://spamhuntress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  based on your looks . (Yes , &#8230; I&#8217;m shallow / superficial too !)
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