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	<title>Comments on: The impersonating guestbook spammers have been caught</title>
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		<title>by: Cam</title>
		<link>http://spamhuntress.com/2006/05/11/the-impersonating-guestbook-spammers-have-been-caught/#comment-32141</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 23:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I too got attacked by spammers on my travel/ design blog. Set up for my friends, clients and family to view whats happening in my world. 

As my programmers/hosts blocked me from FTP accessing my site, I had to take down the section that you could leave a reply in wordpress as it was too time consuming deleting all the posts from the robotic spammers.

I dont mind some customised spam emailed to me occasionally, however bulk mail and robot driven spam really draws the line of what the net should be used for... knowledge, communication, information and adult porn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too got attacked by spammers on my travel/ design blog. Set up for my friends, clients and family to view whats happening in my world. </p>
<p>As my programmers/hosts blocked me from FTP accessing my site, I had to take down the section that you could leave a reply in wordpress as it was too time consuming deleting all the posts from the robotic spammers.</p>
<p>I dont mind some customised spam emailed to me occasionally, however bulk mail and robot driven spam really draws the line of what the net should be used for&#8230; knowledge, communication, information and adult porn.
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		<title>by: dotnetcoder</title>
		<link>http://spamhuntress.com/2006/05/11/the-impersonating-guestbook-spammers-have-been-caught/#comment-32107</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spamhuntress.com/2006/05/11/the-impersonating-guestbook-spammers-have-been-caught/#comment-32107</guid>
					<description>just to play devil's advocate for a minute..

1) you aren't going to put a dent in webspam with this lawsuit 2) you aren't even going to stop spam on your website  3) you may take these 3 guys down, but they will get replaced by 6 others

if you want to make a legal statement, that is fine, but you have to realize that is all the case would be..

from a more practical standpoint, given a finite budget and amount of time, i would recommend spamproofing your website instead..this will be cheaper and serve your interests better in the long-term..spamproofing can be as simple as doing basic modifications to blog comment mechanisms (ie..renaming the trackback script, forcing a captcha, etc) or as complex as building your own guestbook script (still not that complex).  most of these webspammers use off-the-shelf webspam tools (as evidenced by the spammer who posted above) and won't take the time to reverse engineer a unique website..any decent php/.net coder should be able to manage this with minimal effort (i happen to be a .net coder).  rentacoder is a good place to start

now, having said that, it depends on your motives/objectives.  if you are trying to make a legal statement (and only that), the lawsuit makes sense..otherwise, spend your money and time elsewhere</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just to play devil&#8217;s advocate for a minute..</p>
<p>1) you aren&#8217;t going to put a dent in webspam with this lawsuit 2) you aren&#8217;t even going to stop spam on your website  3) you may take these 3 guys down, but they will get replaced by 6 others</p>
<p>if you want to make a legal statement, that is fine, but you have to realize that is all the case would be..</p>
<p>from a more practical standpoint, given a finite budget and amount of time, i would recommend spamproofing your website instead..this will be cheaper and serve your interests better in the long-term..spamproofing can be as simple as doing basic modifications to blog comment mechanisms (ie..renaming the trackback script, forcing a captcha, etc) or as complex as building your own guestbook script (still not that complex).  most of these webspammers use off-the-shelf webspam tools (as evidenced by the spammer who posted above) and won&#8217;t take the time to reverse engineer a unique website..any decent php/.net coder should be able to manage this with minimal effort (i happen to be a .net coder).  rentacoder is a good place to start</p>
<p>now, having said that, it depends on your motives/objectives.  if you are trying to make a legal statement (and only that), the lawsuit makes sense..otherwise, spend your money and time elsewhere
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		<title>by: Michael Pollitt</title>
		<link>http://spamhuntress.com/2006/05/11/the-impersonating-guestbook-spammers-have-been-caught/#comment-32068</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 14:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spamhuntress.com/2006/05/11/the-impersonating-guestbook-spammers-have-been-caught/#comment-32068</guid>
					<description>Hi IrishVette, 

Please e-mail me (e-mail address on my blog) if there's anything you want to say or ask in private. There were two Russians involved with the problems I had, one of whom was directly responsible for the spamming in my name/e-mail. The other Russian spammed in the Guardian's name after he read my first spamming story. I know of a US company with many more web sites than you have - they were spammed heavily by these people too. 

I'd be interested to follow your progress in the next few weeks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi IrishVette, </p>
<p>Please e-mail me (e-mail address on my blog) if there&#8217;s anything you want to say or ask in private. There were two Russians involved with the problems I had, one of whom was directly responsible for the spamming in my name/e-mail. The other Russian spammed in the Guardian&#8217;s name after he read my first spamming story. I know of a US company with many more web sites than you have - they were spammed heavily by these people too. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d be interested to follow your progress in the next few weeks.
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		<title>by: IrishVette</title>
		<link>http://spamhuntress.com/2006/05/11/the-impersonating-guestbook-spammers-have-been-caught/#comment-31913</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spamhuntress.com/2006/05/11/the-impersonating-guestbook-spammers-have-been-caught/#comment-31913</guid>
					<description>Hello Michael:

I believe they are the same 3. The 2 Russians and the one punk from the US.

I suggest to all that they post a message in their guestbooks and/or forms that states that multiple spams (attacks) are prohibited and that anyone who does so is damaging property. These people must be notified that (and it must state) that these types of entries are prohibited.

We are looking into anti-graffiti laws as well as several other violations
these people have committed.

We will post additional information as soon as the lawyers are finished reviewing our claims, including whether this can be expanded into class action status.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Michael:</p>
<p>I believe they are the same 3. The 2 Russians and the one punk from the US.</p>
<p>I suggest to all that they post a message in their guestbooks and/or forms that states that multiple spams (attacks) are prohibited and that anyone who does so is damaging property. These people must be notified that (and it must state) that these types of entries are prohibited.</p>
<p>We are looking into anti-graffiti laws as well as several other violations<br />
these people have committed.</p>
<p>We will post additional information as soon as the lawyers are finished reviewing our claims, including whether this can be expanded into class action status.
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		<title>by: Michael Pollitt</title>
		<link>http://spamhuntress.com/2006/05/11/the-impersonating-guestbook-spammers-have-been-caught/#comment-31897</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spamhuntress.com/2006/05/11/the-impersonating-guestbook-spammers-have-been-caught/#comment-31897</guid>
					<description>Are your spammers the same as my spammers? Have a read of my postings on stopping the guestbook spammer (in several lengthy parts) on my blog as well as the two pieces I wrote in the Guardian. Should be enough technical info there for you to say if it's the same people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are your spammers the same as my spammers? Have a read of my postings on stopping the guestbook spammer (in several lengthy parts) on my blog as well as the two pieces I wrote in the Guardian. Should be enough technical info there for you to say if it&#8217;s the same people.
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		<title>by: Spamhuntress &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Guestbook spammer litigation</title>
		<link>http://spamhuntress.com/2006/05/11/the-impersonating-guestbook-spammers-have-been-caught/#comment-31859</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2006 12:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spamhuntress.com/2006/05/11/the-impersonating-guestbook-spammers-have-been-caught/#comment-31859</guid>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Guestbook litigation [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: IrishVette</title>
		<link>http://spamhuntress.com/2006/05/11/the-impersonating-guestbook-spammers-have-been-caught/#comment-31856</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spamhuntress.com/2006/05/11/the-impersonating-guestbook-spammers-have-been-caught/#comment-31856</guid>
					<description>Hello Everyone:

I am the webmaster for over 300 websites and we have been slammed by the 3 Guestbook/Forms Spammers for over 6 months now. We are in the process of converting all of our website's guestbooks and forms to include human intervention.

We have had to take down several websites as well as dozens of guestbooks and forms as a result of these 3.

We have created a database of over 20,000 pieces of spam from these three jokers alone. All entries have the IP, date, time, message (spam), as well as whois trace routes.

We are preparing to litigate and would be happy to provide our databses to anyone else pursuing these individuals. It is our hope that making this database available to you will assist you in your own efforts.

Please post a message if you have an interest.

We thought about posting a reward for their fingers but not sure if it's legal...lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Everyone:</p>
<p>I am the webmaster for over 300 websites and we have been slammed by the 3 Guestbook/Forms Spammers for over 6 months now. We are in the process of converting all of our website&#8217;s guestbooks and forms to include human intervention.</p>
<p>We have had to take down several websites as well as dozens of guestbooks and forms as a result of these 3.</p>
<p>We have created a database of over 20,000 pieces of spam from these three jokers alone. All entries have the IP, date, time, message (spam), as well as whois trace routes.</p>
<p>We are preparing to litigate and would be happy to provide our databses to anyone else pursuing these individuals. It is our hope that making this database available to you will assist you in your own efforts.</p>
<p>Please post a message if you have an interest.</p>
<p>We thought about posting a reward for their fingers but not sure if it&#8217;s legal&#8230;lol
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		<title>by: 0lly</title>
		<link>http://spamhuntress.com/2006/05/11/the-impersonating-guestbook-spammers-have-been-caught/#comment-28934</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 09:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spamhuntress.com/2006/05/11/the-impersonating-guestbook-spammers-have-been-caught/#comment-28934</guid>
					<description>Layered tech are wankers. I have sent them 15 support tickets this morning, and all i wanted them to do was plug my old HDD in my server!

STUPID WANKERS!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Layered tech are wankers. I have sent them 15 support tickets this morning, and all i wanted them to do was plug my old HDD in my server!</p>
<p>STUPID WANKERS!
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		<title>by: John D</title>
		<link>http://spamhuntress.com/2006/05/11/the-impersonating-guestbook-spammers-have-been-caught/#comment-19497</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spamhuntress.com/2006/05/11/the-impersonating-guestbook-spammers-have-been-caught/#comment-19497</guid>
					<description>If you think EV1 are bad, try dealing with "Layeredtech" - I once reported a guestbook spam within about 5-10minutes of it being posted (as I was already in the admin section deleting &#38; reporting the last lots).
I posted the message as it appeared.......... date, time, IP Address, etc.

Their response 2 - 3hrs later?
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"Please provide a larger portion of the websever logs showing our IP spam your guestbook.

Thank you,

Jason
Abuse Department
Policy Enforcement Technician

ACCEPTABLE USE POLICY at http://layeredtech.com/aup.shtml"
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Pathetic or what? In the end I just block the entire 72.36.*.* range of IP addresses..... and when that failed....  I password protected the directory the guestbook is located in so no one can post there until further notice (and have since forgotten the password to get back into it). :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you think EV1 are bad, try dealing with &#8220;Layeredtech&#8221; - I once reported a guestbook spam within about 5-10minutes of it being posted (as I was already in the admin section deleting &amp; reporting the last lots).<br />
I posted the message as it appeared&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;. date, time, IP Address, etc.</p>
<p>Their response 2 - 3hrs later?<br />
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&#8220;Please provide a larger portion of the websever logs showing our IP spam your guestbook.</p>
<p>Thank you,</p>
<p>Jason<br />
Abuse Department<br />
Policy Enforcement Technician</p>
<p>ACCEPTABLE USE POLICY at <a href="http://layeredtech.com/aup.shtml&#8221;" rel="nofollow">http://layeredtech.com/aup.shtml&#8221;</a><br />
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<p>Pathetic or what? In the end I just block the entire 72.36.*.* range of IP addresses&#8230;.. and when that failed&#8230;.  I password protected the directory the guestbook is located in so no one can post there until further notice (and have since forgotten the password to get back into it). <img src='http://spamhuntress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>by: Вася Пупкин</title>
		<link>http://spamhuntress.com/2006/05/11/the-impersonating-guestbook-spammers-have-been-caught/#comment-16328</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2006 20:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spamhuntress.com/2006/05/11/the-impersonating-guestbook-spammers-have-been-caught/#comment-16328</guid>
					<description>Чем всякой херней заниматься - учите PHP! Защита легко от спама ставится!!!
Than in everyone херней to be engaged - learn PHP! Protection easily from a spam is put!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Чем всякой херней заниматься - учите PHP! Защита легко от спама ставится!!!<br />
Than in everyone херней to be engaged - learn PHP! Protection easily from a spam is put!!!
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