Comments on: Harassment and spam hunters http://spamhuntress.com/2006/09/27/harassment-and-spam-hunters/ Just another WordPress weblog Sat, 17 May 2008 00:54:17 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.7 by: JohnQPublic http://spamhuntress.com/2006/09/27/harassment-and-spam-hunters/#comment-100851 Tue, 16 Jan 2007 05:30:57 +0000 http://spamhuntress.com/2006/09/27/harassment-and-spam-hunters/#comment-100851 It's personal defamation for a spammer to spoof an email address in their deliveries... if it was a phone level telemarketing attempt with a cid of your phone number it would be a felony. Spoofing an identity is a felony (even be it an email address - which is so simple to do). That said.... do not make it a witch hunt... the reason it's easy to commit a felony level offense (which is easily detecable as false) is because of lack of understanding. Urge your congress-critters (because, well, they barely pass the bar in terms of vertebrates at this point) that education about technology in politics is a very very important thing. The modem and the fax are dinosaurs of an age that doesn't want to be forgotten. Information transfers are completed faster then most people can rationalize. The time to act and shape is now... most all of us will just watch however.. And that will be just fine... It’s personal defamation for a spammer to spoof an email address in their deliveries… if it was a phone level telemarketing attempt with a cid of your phone number it would be a felony. Spoofing an identity is a felony (even be it an email address - which is so simple to do).
That said…. do not make it a witch hunt… the reason it’s easy to commit a felony level offense (which is easily detecable as false) is because of lack of understanding.

Urge your congress-critters (because, well, they barely pass the bar in terms of vertebrates at this point) that education about technology in politics is a very very important thing.
The modem and the fax are dinosaurs of an age that doesn’t want to be forgotten.
Information transfers are completed faster then most people can rationalize.
The time to act and shape is now… most all of us will just watch however..

And that will be just fine…

]]> by: James Black http://spamhuntress.com/2006/09/27/harassment-and-spam-hunters/#comment-62552 Wed, 15 Nov 2006 07:31:34 +0000 http://spamhuntress.com/2006/09/27/harassment-and-spam-hunters/#comment-62552 Hey - you "turning us in" is just part of the deal. It's the wild west out there on the internet - you're making money you could NOT make anywhere else. How is that so different from us? You don't want the downside because it reduces your cash flow - so we're kinda the same - no? Hey - you “turning us in” is just part of the deal. It’s the wild west out there on the internet - you’re making money you could NOT make anywhere else. How is that so different from us? You don’t want the downside because it reduces your cash flow - so we’re kinda the same - no?

]]> by: David http://spamhuntress.com/2006/09/27/harassment-and-spam-hunters/#comment-55183 Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:21:46 +0000 http://spamhuntress.com/2006/09/27/harassment-and-spam-hunters/#comment-55183 thought this update on the Spamhaus lawsuit might interest your readers http://internetandclassactionlaw.blogspot.com/2006/10/spamhaus-email-lawsuit-gets.html thought this update on the Spamhaus lawsuit might interest your readers

http://internetandclassactionlaw.blogspot.com/2006/10/spamhaus-email-lawsuit-gets.html

]]> by: Łowczyni http://spamhuntress.com/2006/09/27/harassment-and-spam-hunters/#comment-51321 Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:13:50 +0000 http://spamhuntress.com/2006/09/27/harassment-and-spam-hunters/#comment-51321 keep on spamming. keep on spamming.

]]> by: Matt Cutts http://spamhuntress.com/2006/09/27/harassment-and-spam-hunters/#comment-50169 Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:11:53 +0000 http://spamhuntress.com/2006/09/27/harassment-and-spam-hunters/#comment-50169 Dave Gold, I certainly read every post on spamhuntress.com and pass many posts on to my colleagues here at Google. Dave Gold, I certainly read every post on spamhuntress.com and pass many posts on to my colleagues here at Google.

]]> by: perkiset http://spamhuntress.com/2006/09/27/harassment-and-spam-hunters/#comment-50163 Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:53:32 +0000 http://spamhuntress.com/2006/09/27/harassment-and-spam-hunters/#comment-50163 To Admin: Copyright laws exist regardless of the delivery platform, and that is important. If you blatantly copy someone else's work whether in print form or electronic, you're in for trouble. This is not Spam (necessarily) - it's plagiarism. Affiliate schemes: At least here in the US, you cannot define an affiliate scheme as illegal for *some* and not others. If you open a mechanism for commission schemes, you get to be fair about the presentation of it. That means that some will abuse it - it may be against your *policy* but it will not be against the law, unless you illegalize the entirety of affiliates. Regarding comment spam: if a blog is open for comments (like this one) then you cannot make it illegal to post a comment robotically. You can make it against your policy, but not illegal. Even if that is tried, it will fail and even if some gung ho litigious type manages to get something passed, it will never be enforceable. The real truth of the matter is that spam in the engines pisses people off - I understand. But the market will take care of that. People will get smarter about what sites they visit, where they click, how they behave on the net and the value in spamvertising will wane. Spamvertiers will adapt and adjust, and the circle of capitalism continues. To Admin:

Copyright laws exist regardless of the delivery platform, and that is important. If you blatantly copy someone else’s work whether in print form or electronic, you’re in for trouble. This is not Spam (necessarily) - it’s plagiarism.

Affiliate schemes: At least here in the US, you cannot define an affiliate scheme as illegal for *some* and not others. If you open a mechanism for commission schemes, you get to be fair about the presentation of it. That means that some will abuse it - it may be against your *policy* but it will not be against the law, unless you illegalize the entirety of affiliates.

Regarding comment spam: if a blog is open for comments (like this one) then you cannot make it illegal to post a comment robotically. You can make it against your policy, but not illegal. Even if that is tried, it will fail and even if some gung ho litigious type manages to get something passed, it will never be enforceable.

The real truth of the matter is that spam in the engines pisses people off - I understand. But the market will take care of that. People will get smarter about what sites they visit, where they click, how they behave on the net and the value in spamvertising will wane. Spamvertiers will adapt and adjust, and the circle of capitalism continues.

]]> by: admin http://spamhuntress.com/2006/09/27/harassment-and-spam-hunters/#comment-50152 Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:00:19 +0000 http://spamhuntress.com/2006/09/27/harassment-and-spam-hunters/#comment-50152 To Perkiset: So called search engine spam covers a lot of ground. If you're talking about scraper sites, the legality will be tested against copyright laws. If you're talking about advertizing portals (so called search engines), they probably won't be illegal by themselves, unless the affiliate scheme is deemed illegal. But "comment spam" types will probably be deemed illegal at some point. To Perkiset:
So called search engine spam covers a lot of ground. If you’re talking about scraper sites, the legality will be tested against copyright laws. If you’re talking about advertizing portals (so called search engines), they probably won’t be illegal by themselves, unless the affiliate scheme is deemed illegal.

But “comment spam” types will probably be deemed illegal at some point.

]]> by: perkiset http://spamhuntress.com/2006/09/27/harassment-and-spam-hunters/#comment-50146 Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:37:35 +0000 http://spamhuntress.com/2006/09/27/harassment-and-spam-hunters/#comment-50146 @Lemat - First, you must define spam. If you lop every type of ill device known to the net into the buzz word "spam" you'll certainly find items that are illegal. Second, what country and what is illegal? Because again - spam sites in and of themselves are not illegal. There may be methods of promoting them that are. But the notion that a site will with nothing but baloney in it is in some way breaking the law is laughable. @Lemat - First, you must define spam.

If you lop every type of ill device known to the net into the buzz word “spam” you’ll certainly find items that are illegal. Second, what country and what is illegal? Because again - spam sites in and of themselves are not illegal. There may be methods of promoting them that are. But the notion that a site will with nothing but baloney in it is in some way breaking the law is laughable.

]]> by: Dave Gold http://spamhuntress.com/2006/09/27/harassment-and-spam-hunters/#comment-50133 Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:08:20 +0000 http://spamhuntress.com/2006/09/27/harassment-and-spam-hunters/#comment-50133 This site is such a joke, I can't believe you waste your time with this crap. I have heard it all from people like you, my hosts, domains, Adsense, every freaking account I have has been reported...what happens?? Nothing cause it's about $$$$$$$$$$...keep on spamming, keep on spamming people. This site is such a joke, I can’t believe you waste your time with this crap. I have heard it all from people like you, my hosts, domains, Adsense, every freaking account I have has been reported…what happens?? Nothing cause it’s about $$$$$$$$$$…keep on spamming, keep on spamming people.

]]> by: darth_maul http://spamhuntress.com/2006/09/27/harassment-and-spam-hunters/#comment-50131 Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:04:38 +0000 http://spamhuntress.com/2006/09/27/harassment-and-spam-hunters/#comment-50131 Lemat, perkiset was referring to "webspam" which certainly isn't illegal. You may *think* that some law covers it, but it just doesn't. It's just that simple. Lemat, perkiset was referring to “webspam” which certainly isn’t illegal. You may *think* that some law covers it, but it just doesn’t. It’s just that simple.

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